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  is it moral and or rational to teach children and adults that Santa is real?

  by mankkeli in

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  1) yes it is moral and rational.

  2) yes it is moral.

  3) yes it is rational.

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  Mad Sweeney

  I can't think of anything good that comes from presenting a fairy-tale as truth.
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  The real identity of the F&DS revealed...any news yet?

  by Aussie Oz in

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  2. bible

  recently barbara posted the update on the unthank case and mentioned that more would be revealed soon on the real identity of the faithful slave.. has it been revealed yet?

  have i missed it?.

  been looking, hoping!.

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAN9ORwsiVA
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  If your mate remains in the org...

  by Silent_Scream in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  some here have had the bonus of their mate leaving with them.

  unfortunately, my wife is die-hard.

  everything in the org makes sense and if it don't, thats fine too.

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  Mad Sweeney

  You can't TELL a cult member anything. Their defenses go up instantly, as you have experienced.

  Let her know that you appreciate her spiritual strength and then ASK HER to HELP YOU. Make it clear in no uncertain terms that you WILL REFUSE to discuss your faith with ANYONE ELSE so she cannot pass the buck on to the elders or anyone else in the congregation - and that you will consider it a betrayal if she breaks your confidentiality EVEN IF her motives are pure. SHE MUST be the one to HELP YOU by EXPLAINING WHY you should have faith that the Watchtower is the Faithful and Discreet Slave. If she refuses, don't get angry, get sad - be hurt that your marriage isn't important enough for her to expend effort at saving you spiritually (it's kind of emotional blackmail but hey - theocratic warfare).

  Arm yourself with info, but never TELL anything. ASK HER to PROVE it to you. When she gives you the Borg talking points, ASK more questions.

  The biggest mistake exiting JWs make is they learn the truth about the organization doctrinally and perhaps scandal-wise, but don't learn the psychology of cult mind control. Not knowing how a cult member is programmed to react you're unprepared to overcome their programming. One would think TRUTH would trump the programming - it doesn't. Not by itself because they're programmed to see ANYthing that doesn't support the Borg 100% as a LIE from Satan's world. Until they can free THEMSELVES from the concept that the Watchtower is "God's Organization" they can't take the other steps necessary in learning everything else that's wrong with the organization.

  Example questions to ask - after you've convinced her to help you rebuild your faith (don't move to the next until the previous one has been fully researched and discussed) :

  1. To put faith in the organization, I need to be sure they are God's organization. When was the Watchtower appointed as the Faithful and Discreet Slave and how did that come about? (if she can't tell you off the top of her head, maybe take a few days for you both to research it and then meet to discuss it further)

  2. What was Jesus looking for during his inspection of the religions of the world? (You can find the answer in God’s Kingdom of a Thousand Years Has Approached, pages 352-353, and also the January 15, 2008 Watchtower - it was what the organization was teaching. Many JWs will give this answer first and then switch it when "opposers" bring up the fact that they taught MANY things that they don't teach anymore - they change it to "the organization was SEARCHING EARNESTLY for TRUTH even though it wasn't 100% clear to them yet, "the light gets brighter." That is NOT official Watchtower doctrine, and even if it is NOW, it wasn't THEN nor for many decades - show her the book and the WT - it's ALL ABOUT what they were teaching.)

  3. What were they teaching in 1918-19? (There was ONE book published by the Borg in 1917 and re-printed as much of the 1918 Watchtower study articles - The Finished Mystery. You can download it at archive.org - it is full of crap that people would be DFd for today, if not sent into a mental health facility.)

  Obviously, the point is to lead her to truth as she does her research to HELP YOU. She is far more likely to believe what she finds than what you tell her.

  I'm not an expert. Not a psychologist. I'm just a guy who has read a lot of experiences - some successful and some unsuccessful. I managed to get out with my wife using the Family Worship Night arrangement, but I never let on any doubts until SHE was doubting - it seems too late for you to try that route.

  (Maybe listen to shows 7 and 8 of Cult Free Radio for encouragement - the mp3s are hosted at www.ex-jw.com - Good Luck )
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  Victoria, Australia: October 11th hearing. All five cases made it through the court...just!

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  this is a preliminary summary only.

  i hope to obtain more details later.. .

  all five cases are still within the criminal justice system.

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  Mad Sweeney

  They often will embody the spirit of deception/lies/falsehood while speaking technically accurately. This is actually the worst kind of lie and they do it with glee, claiming Jehovah's blessing.

  I'm reminded of how they told the court in Bulgaria that they impose no sanctions on a JW who accepts a blood transfusion. Technically accurate - a JW who accepts a transfusion isn't DFd. Practically it is a lie because a JW who accepts a transfusion is automatically disassociated and DFd and DAd people are treated IDENTICALLY by Jehovah's Witnesses - by Watchtower command.
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  HAPPY WEDDING ANNIVERSARY CANTLEAVE AND NUGGET!

  by Pams girl in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  two fabulous individuals who bring such a lot to this forum!.

  have a fantastic day together .

  heres to many more x. love paula and kev x.

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  Mad Sweeney

  Happy Anniversary!!!
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  Cult Free Radio on the air this Saturday night with special guest Barbara Anderson

  by Mad Sweeney in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  that's right.

  barbara anderson will be on cult free radio this saturday evening at 10pm eastern time.. show up to listen and post your questions on the social stream for me to ask her.. https://www.facebook.com/cultfreeradio.

  http://www.ustream.tv/channel/cult-free-radio.

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  Mad Sweeney

  AK McGrath, all shows remain available on both the ustream channel and through the Facebook page. I also try to get them up as mp3 on ex-JW.com asap, and youtube eventually.

  Those of you listening live, send questions over the Social Stream if there's something you want to know from Barbara. (or me, I suppose)
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  Victoria, Australia: October 11th hearing. All five cases made it through the court...just!

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  this is a preliminary summary only.

  i hope to obtain more details later.. .

  all five cases are still within the criminal justice system.

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  Mad Sweeney

  Of course there will be a transcript. The June 8 meeting had a transcript, and so do depositions, so why wouldn't these hearings?

  I, too, am looking forward to the exact quote from the Borg attorney. I can see them trying to sell the fact that the FDS is some sort of "religious concept" and not an actual group of identifiable people. Anyone remember how long it was between the June 8 hearing and the publication of the transcript?
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  Shocked at what my 3 year old just asked me

  by jwfacts in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  me - jehovah?

  who is jehovah?.

  me - oh.. zac - are you happy with me dad for remembering jehovah.

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  Mad Sweeney

  "Some people believe in God or Jehovah, and others like Mickey Mouse, and others like Bugs Bunny, and others like the Wiggles. Who do you like?"

  I like this answer. Good one, BP.
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  No Christian Congregation in Australia according to the Witchtower. HAHAHA

  by hamsterbait in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  in the continuing court battle in australia, the legal counsel for the witchtower babble and trash religion shocked witless onlookers by saying the there is.

  "no christian congregation of jehovah's witnesses in the state of victoria," or indeed the whole of australia.. hahahhahahahaha!.

  at least they are not perjuring themselves as any fool can see that their congregations are not "christian".. check this on barb andersons thread!.

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  Mad Sweeney

  Forget it, wannabefree. The troll and the Broken Promises aren't reading anything anyone else is saying. They only see that the CCJW doesn't formally exist in Oz and they don't care whether it ACTUALLY DOES EXIST for all pracitcal intents and purposes. The corporation isn't registered there so they simply don't care about it. It sends letters to congregations there. It sends letters to the branch there. It orders them all around and they all obey. But it doesn't exist. Nothing to see. No need to discuss it or even concern ourselves with the obvious hypocrisy. It doesn't exist in Victoria so everyone but those two are stupid.
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  Victoria, Australia: October 11th hearing. All five cases made it through the court...just!

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  this is a preliminary summary only.

  i hope to obtain more details later.. .

  all five cases are still within the criminal justice system.

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  Mad Sweeney

  If it manages to protect one child or free one person from the Borg it is worth it.